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Not half as sad as the smug pleasures taken by others, but that's a whole other issue.

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daedala.livejournal.com

I wish I were surprised.

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daedala.livejournal.com

I meant to ask -- does this mean you're going to cut down on hosting Minnstf stuff? :( I ask because even if I were able to host, now I would not, because that's so icky.

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This kind of thing is to be expected.

I figure that it's my job to say on my party invites that guns are not welcome. If people choose to deliberately ignore me because that's how they get their jollies, it's their Karma.

B

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davidschroth.livejournal.com

Hmm. I guess this means the board should examine adding another line to our gun policy about violators who are caught. Granted here we don't know who this is but non the less I guess we need to point out what the consequences are. How juvenile that assholes feel the need to prove they can do things others request they don't.

Laura Jean

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I don't know if Minn-StF should bother with the "consequences if cought." To me, it's the same as someone smoking in a house in spite of a policy against it, or bringing children to a home where the owners forbid it. The consequences are between the meeting host and the offending attendee; the club really doesn't have to get involved.

B

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I'm certainly not.

B

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The above title pretty much says whay I feel about the jerk who did do it, and about any jerks WHO WOULD in the future do it.
I dare the fucking coward who smuggled the gun in to own up to his/her/its actions and deal with public reaction to it.
But they won't.
Probably too chicken shit and too disrespectful.
Sigh!!!!!

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supergee.livejournal.com

I wonder if the new rule will inspire anyone to go to your house and act suspicious. (Which is more pleasant to think about than the Linuses who must be repeatedly reasssured in any e-list discussion that their blankets are welcome.)

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laurel

The club shouldn't be making policy re guns, period.

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laurel

(I guess I should clarify: I think that someone who carried a gun into your home against your wishes-- providing they knew your wishes at the time-- is a louse. I think people can say whether guns are permitted in their homes, of course. I just don't think Minn-StF itself should have a gun policy).

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jbru.livejournal.com

The board is drafting (or has drafted) a gun policy? If so, I'll voice a "that's a spectacularly bad idea" and ask that information about it be shared with the club at large.

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A gun with a bar sinister through it, and a silhouette of two people shaking hands also with a bar sinister through it.
Translation:

"No Guns, No Socializing"

Neil

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I don't think MNSTF as a whole should make a policy regarding guns.
I do think there should be a common knowledge violators list of those morons who are disrespectful enough to bring a firearm into a home KNOWING the host did not want it there.
If someone came in my house if I were hosting, and I had a posted warning up, or had a common knowledge policy and they were carrying, I'd quietly pick up the phone and call the cops.
Let them handle it.
I WOULD NOT try to reason with the jerk simply because they are not worth it.
Furthermore, if they are scummy enough to disrespect my wishes, I would not trust them to carry a firearm in public.

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I don't think the club needs a policy re: guns, nor consequences if caught breaking a homeowner's expressed policy. These things will take care of themselves.

Pity that this has cast everyone who has said they have or are getting a carry permit under the same cloud of guilt.

K.

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Here, here! I second!

K.

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davidschroth.livejournal.com

Really? Even if the policy is "The host sets the guns/no guns rules for the meeting?", along with "The host is responsible for publicizing smoking/no smoking policy for the party, the presence or absence of pets, how child-proof (or not) the residence is, etc."

Which, as best I understand, is the MnStf policy.

Unlike the Minicon policy, which predates Larry and Laura Jean by many years, and rather unambiguously states no weapons.

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lydy.livejournal.com

I wish you would say who it was, so that we can properly excoriate the son of a bitch. I think that it would be appropriate for people who wish to host, and who wish for there to be no guns in their house, to refuse entrance to whoever it was that did it.

There's a sometimes Mnstf member that I won't let in my house. The Board made an issue of it at one point, because signing in for meetings is necessary in order to qualify to vote. When I explained that I was more than happy to take the sign-in sheet to the door and let him sign in before he left, they decided that this was probably acceptable. That Board wasn't thrilled about it, but they also understood why I felt the way I did. The person was Michael Flowers, and he tried to molest me at an Icon many years ago.

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I don't know the individual's name -- I can quite easily guess, but it would remain a guess.

"As I very clearly -- and carefully said -- a few weeks ago, Larry was recently unable to prevent somebody from carrying at a MnStf event in his own home, despite his demands." -- it appears there's a count system for scoring points, kind of like the rite of passing as a woman ustta be amongst drag queens.

You have my sympathies, and I can understand your position.

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Your comment implies some sort of fucked-up "Rite of Passage" with your home as the gauntlet.
I also think I know who the offending individual was.
Someone who has publicly said that they willingly violate laws which they feel to be unacceptable just to tweak the nose of authority.

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I do not understand requesting a home be gun free as "demands."

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I don't view it as "demands" either.
To me it is simply a matter of your home is your home, and you have the right to control what is brought into it.
Certain individuals have the right to their opinions, BUT THAT IS ALL THEY HAVE TH RIGHT TO.
I'd suggest calling the cops if you suspect someone is entering your house with firearm.
Let them deal with it.
Keeping in mind that as long as you have the proper warnings posted as stated by the letter of the law, and the gun owner refuses to turn their weapon over (or denies having said weapon on them when they actually do), I believe they stand a good chance of losing their permit (try to imagine the huge crocodile tears I'm shedding for them).

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AS a side note.
If you were to get a "Hand wand" of the sort I was using at the airport, I personally WOULD allow it to be used on me.
At this point, you have EVERY justification in the world for it, and I won't deny it.
However, I don't like the idea of cavity searches.
Damned Hemorrhoids.

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It wasn't Joel. He's not been here since New Years Day.

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;-)

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I never mentioned anyones name.
Now, did I?

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dd-b.livejournal.com

Thanks for quoting the exact phrasing. This whole discussion has been bugging me since the echos of it first came to my attention. Now, reading the quote you give (and recognizing the style, so also taking into account what I know of the author), I know what was bugging me.

That statement by (I believe) Joel does not say anybody took a gun into your house. And his use, and emphasis, of "carefully" strongly suggests to me that he doesn't mean somebody took a gun into your house, either.

Either that or he does know of somebody and is going to some trouble to make it ambiguous. But I'd bet on the other interpretation.

(I hope this isn't in question by anybody, but let me say for the record that I've never carried a gun into your house, ever.)

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