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Jun. 18th, 2003 12:07 pm
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"No convention attendee is permitted to carry a functional firearm on convention premises, permit or not permit."

Date: 2003-06-18 10:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] davidschroth.livejournal.com
The bad news is, this increases the pressure on the crowd that wants to carry to conventions to make sure there's a local convention they can carry at.

Like Minicon.

Date: 2003-06-18 10:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sleepingzebras.livejournal.com
...this increases the pressure on the crowd that wants to carry to conventions to make sure there's a local convention they can carry at.

How big is this crowd?

Date: 2003-06-18 10:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] minnehaha.livejournal.com
Minimum 7, max: who knows.

K.

Date: 2003-06-18 10:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sleepingzebras.livejournal.com
Are large gun shows ever held in hotels similar to SF conventions? Do hotels in general ban firearms?

Date: 2003-06-18 12:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] drewan.livejournal.com
Oh-my-ghod! If Minicon says "No Guns" that just leaves Diversicon for all the gun crazy fans to flock to. Well.. Diversicon does strive to be "diverse".

Diversicon 12: Have Gun Will Travel
Regional SF&F Gun Show

Date: 2003-06-18 12:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fredcritter.livejournal.com
Ye gods! Makes me glad I'm no longer on the Miniconcom -- I don't have to listen to and/or deal with all the sturm und drang. *sigh*

Date: 2003-06-18 12:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] davidschroth.livejournal.com
Actually, the concom list is blessedly quiet on the subject.

Two people have resigned from/decided they won't be able to work on the concom.

Re:

Date: 2003-06-18 12:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lsanderson.livejournal.com
1 decided, 1 was decided for

Date: 2003-06-18 09:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] minnehaha.livejournal.com
What does "1 was decided for" mean?

B

Re:

Date: 2003-06-19 05:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lsanderson.livejournal.com
paterfamilias

Date: 2003-06-18 01:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mizzlaurajean.livejournal.com
I really don't think that's how it plays out. I see it as helping legitimize that this is an acceptable policy and that this is not the place, environment or community( during cons at least) that wish to be around guns.

If they want a con where they can carry, they can go start one and more power to them,

Date: 2003-06-18 11:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kalmn.livejournal.com
convergence as well; it's being discussed on a mailing list of theirs that i'm on. i haven't seen anything quotable about it yet, though; but i'll let you know if i do.

Date: 2003-06-18 11:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lsanderson.livejournal.com
I've a lengthy response from a certain Mr. Wick, who I think speaks reasonably officially for that convention.

Date: 2003-06-18 11:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kalmn.livejournal.com
if he's consulted the rest of the board (which i bet he has), then yes he does...

Date: 2003-06-18 12:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] michaellee.livejournal.com
From what I saw when I was looking through a draft, the policy as listed in this year's at-con publication is not significantly different than what is listed on the website.

I didn't do a word-for-word comparison, and I don't have them entirely memorized, but the basics are certainly the same -- please leave your working firearms and projectile weapons at home.

Re:

Date: 2003-06-18 12:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lsanderson.livejournal.com
Seems to just excite the hell out of a few fans.

Date: 2003-06-18 01:20 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] laurel
Like the people posting here.

Date: 2003-06-18 12:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 90-percent-sure.livejournal.com
What's the minicon policy?

Date: 2003-06-18 12:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mizzlaurajean.livejournal.com
"No actual firearms" translation, no guns. Permit or no permit no guns.

Minicon Policies

Date: 2003-06-18 02:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] davidschroth.livejournal.com
Are as follows:

Minicon Policies
The basics of Minicon's convention policies. Please take a moment to read them.
Reality Policy
Minicon complies with all federal, state, and local laws. Minicon encourages our members to do the same.

Badge Policy
Minicon uses badges to identify our members. Without your badge, you may be denied the benefits of membership; please keep it with you at all times while at Minicon.

If you find a lost badge, please bring it to the Bridge (in the Horizons room, southern end).

If you lose your badge, please come to the Bridge. If we have your badge, we'll return it to you once we've verified that it's yours. If we don't have it, we'll send you to Registration (outside of the Forum Ballroom on the first floor) to get a replacement badge.

Weapons Policy
Use common sense.

Actual firearms, class 3 or 4 lasers, and projectile throwing toys are not permitted at Minicon.

For everything else, have a sheath, sling, or other container for it, and keep it secured when you're in a public place.

The above notwithstanding, Minicon reserves the right to prohibit any prop or weapon at the sole discretion of Minicon.

You kill it, you eat it.

Signage Policy
Signs may be posted on the signboards and inside the meeting rooms. Please do not attach any signs to hotel walls, doors, windows, elevators, etc.

Please post only one sign per board per event.

Signboards will be strategically placed throughout the convention spaces. We don't know where at the time of printing, but they will be conspicuous.

Smoking Policy
In accordance with the Minnesota Clean Indoor Air Act, smoking is permitted only in designated smoking areas.

Elevators, stairwells, and hallways, including those on floors with smoking sleeping rooms, are non-smoking.

The Minicon smoking consuite is on the top floor in Satellite 6. You can also smoke in the hotel bar and in your room if it is a smoking room.
Big Stick Policy
Minicon reserves the right to revoke any membership as we deem necessary, most likely in cases of extreme misbehavior.


DDB has been suggesting that the Reality Policy trumps the part of the Weapons Policy that reads 'Actual firearms, ...are not permitted at Minicon'.

I think that's an extremely creative reading of the policy...

Date: 2003-06-18 12:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mizzlaurajean.livejournal.com
I think those gun crazy fanantics that aren't safe traveling without them, well maybe they should start their own convention.

I wish them luck in finding a hotel and getting insurance.

Date: 2003-06-18 09:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] minnehaha.livejournal.com
Hotels host gun shows all the time. If they wanted to have a pro-gun-SF-con, I'm sure they could.

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Date: 2003-06-19 12:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lsanderson.livejournal.com
This may decrease the time available by some of them to make money by training people to use them.

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